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Cargo Planes, Attack Helicopters, Recon Gliders, to Fighter Jets.

Anything reasonable to obtain. (i.e. Not extremely restricted, fantastical, jet-porn )

Cargo-wise:
Lockheed C series (Specifically the C-5, C-130, C-144)
Ilyushin Il-76

Jets:
MiG-21, 23, or 25
Dassault Mirage F1 (French)
Sukhoi Su-25, 27, 30, (20, 22, or 17 same)
Hawker Hunter

Training:
Ilyushin Il-103
Cessna 182, 172, 162

Will edit in any suggestions

For the sake of price point, we should look into old Russian planes.
Antonov
Illyushin
MIL
Sukhoi
MiG
Tupolev
and the likes.

Why not:

Hawker hunter: $20,000

And doesn't need much training (not classed as a 'complex military aircraft' by the International Civil Aviation Organization so can be bought from 'civil' countries.)

But, if our budget allows it:

SU-25s, SU-25s everywhere.

What are the possibilities of maintaining a small fleet of Ekranoplans and wing in ground effect aircraft?

Admin wrote:What are the possibilities of maintaining a small fleet of Ekranoplans and wing in ground effect aircraft?

I was talking to a friend of mine about that, the Iranians have made their own Bavar-2 Ekranoplans (little two-seaters).
They're good for coastal work, perhaps some light ASW but not much else.

Poik12 wrote:

Admin wrote:What are the possibilities of maintaining a small fleet of Ekranoplans and wing in ground effect aircraft?

I was talking to a friend of mine about that, the Iranians have made their own Bavar-2 Ekranoplans (little two-seaters).
They're good for coastal work, perhaps some light ASW but not much else.

Im talking AN-26 sized Ekranoplans set up in a LUN configuration, antiship missiles mounted on top.

The idea of owning a TU-95ms "bear" makes me jizz in my pants, also its Kuznetsov NK-12 turboprop produces 15,000 horsepower, which means it could be used to power ships and generating stations.

Admin wrote:

Poik12 wrote:

Admin wrote:What are the possibilities of maintaining a small fleet of Ekranoplans and wing in ground effect aircraft?

I was talking to a friend of mine about that, the Iranians have made their own Bavar-2 Ekranoplans (little two-seaters).
They're good for coastal work, perhaps some light ASW but not much else.

Im talking AN-26 sized Ekranoplans set up in a LUN configuration, antiship missiles mounted on top.

It could work, but the Soviets cancelled that project for a reason:
It couldn't cross oceans with waves higher than 5M.

ofc, if we just want say, 10 of these ready to launch when an enemy navy approaches, I'd say go for it. (the propellers will make it easier to hunt subs undetected)
It's just not a very good long range assault vessel.

Poik12 wrote:

Admin wrote:

Poik12 wrote:

Admin wrote:What are the possibilities of maintaining a small fleet of Ekranoplans and wing in ground effect aircraft?

I was talking to a friend of mine about that, the Iranians have made their own Bavar-2 Ekranoplans (little two-seaters).
They're good for coastal work, perhaps some light ASW but not much else.

Im talking AN-26 sized Ekranoplans set up in a LUN configuration, antiship missiles mounted on top.

It could work, but the Soviets cancelled that project for a reason:
It couldn't cross oceans with waves higher than 5M.

ofc, if we just want say, 10 of these ready to launch when an enemy navy approaches, I'd say go for it. (the propellers will make it easier to hunt subs undetected)
It's just not a very good long range assault vessel.

Well this ties into my navy thread but we need fast transport for chasing pirates.

MIG-21s would be good for basic interception, emergency ground attack, SU-25s for ground attack. Helos for light transport and whatnot. Cessnas for reconnaissance, or even drones, if we could buy and or make our own.

China stopped producing mig 21 clones in 08 and have so many they are using them as target drones now. im sure we could pick up some of them on the cheap and Russian/Indian/Pakistani/Czech parts would all be in interchangeable.

No Hueys that we blast CCR at the skinnies in?

So I was talking with a Psyops officer here, as we all waited to see how long our mission was being pushed back, and he said that he and a guy calculated the cost of a trip for a CH-47 to fly like a hundred miles, and it was a hundred thousand dollars. So I'm not sure what the cost of a huey flight is, but it's worth looking into.

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Ka-26

It was recommended in a thread on OperatorChan
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has anyone seen these?

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One thing that should be noted. Russian and other Pact aircraft have nearly completely different gauge set ups from there western counterparts. IF one is to fly them one would need to be well versed in their systems and procedures.

i say we get l 159s for everything exept transport, its cheap easy to maintain and easy to fly. combine it with Dassault Mirage F1E's and we have a cheap but capable airforce
also for transport helicopters we can use old mi8's to start with and move to used bell 412's when we get money for it. transport aircraft can be DC-3 type aircraft or antonov type aircraft (an 10/12 an24/26/30 an32 an140.)
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The L-159s are capable aircraft. They can be fitted with targeting pods and Paveway laser-guided bombs, Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, and the usual assortment of guns, rockets, and conventional bombs. They can even operate from austere bases, and are easy to maintain. Countries looking for relatively low cost planes, that offer basic air patrol and advanced counterinsurgency capabilities, will find the L-159A a great fit.

NORhunter1873 wrote:i say we get l 159s for everything exept transport, its cheap easy to maintain and easy to fly. combine it with Dassault Mirage F1E's and we have a cheap but capable airforce
also for transport helicopters we can use old mi8's to start with and move to used bell 412's when we get money for it. transport aircraft can be DC-3 type aircraft or antonov type aircraft (an 10/12 an24/26/30 an32 an140.)
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The L-159s are capable aircraft. They can be fitted with targeting pods and Paveway laser-guided bombs, Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, and the usual assortment of guns, rockets, and conventional bombs. They can even operate from austere bases, and are easy to maintain. Countries looking for relatively low cost planes, that offer basic air patrol and advanced counterinsurgency capabilities, will find the L-159A a great fit.

I agree but I think we should look into both Russian and Chinese aircraft. Partly due to the soviet mindset of low maintenance and reliability. Also they give far less fucks who they sell war machines to then the west.

antonov 12 in 'air worthy' condition goes for 600k$+ airworthy dc3/c47 goes for 100k$+
i say we go for the dc3
nigeria is selling some of there surplus aircraft. jaguars and mig21's
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NORhunter1873 wrote:antonov 12 in 'air worthy' condition goes for 600k$+ airworthy dc3/c47 goes for 100k$+
i say we go for the dc3
nigeria is selling some of there surplus aircraft. jaguars and mig21's
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dear God... i'm not trying to be an asshole, but i'm pretty sure those will need to be massively overhauled before i'd want to step foot in those death buckets.

this isn't as sexy but it would make a cheaper (you know, without all the parts, maintenance and other necessities that would be needed to keep a long mothballed c-130 in the sky.

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imonaboat wrote:this isn't as sexy but it would make a cheaper (you know, without all the parts, maintenance and other necessities that would be needed to keep a long mothballed c-130 in the sky.

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okay, but you do the first jump.

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imonaboat wrote:this isn't as sexy but it would make a cheaper (you know, without all the parts, maintenance and other necessities that would be needed to keep a long mothballed c-130 in the sky.

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okay, but you do the first jump.

You get me the aircraft and a pilot and I'll do the first jump.

Parachutes are pretty costly as well:
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IF you wanna talk choppers and Fast-Roping though, that's MUCH cheaper, quicker and safer overall (even accounting for how unsafe helicopters are in general).

Pendrake wrote:You get me the aircraft and a pilot and I'll do the first jump.

bullshit. i call dibs on first jump. but seriously, heli's are more likely to be more useful in combat drops. even if we use kickass parachutes. but we will need fix wings to resupply.

helo's is most important, but atleast 1 fix wing aircraft with some capasity is also important to move shit from b-c and cargo ships are important to move shit from a-b