R&D (babby steps)

A few things I'm working on:

I'm bought a bunch of small, medium-strength neodymium magnets (coated in a thin layer of epoxy to prevent corrosion) to attempt to create a zone on the back of my armor that I can stick a rifle to (no homo). If it's a success, I'll upload a video to youtube showing the project's limitations (but that won't be for at least another month and some change).

Since I bought steel plates, I don't have to worry about sewing them into my vest or anything (although an idea I had for ceramic plates was just to velcro a small pouch/pocket (for the magnets) to the inside of my carrier, outside of the plate).


A random idea I had for LTL (Less-Than-Lethal) takedowns was Stun-Gun-bayonets. It would rather simple really, especially with the thin baton-like tasers, to attach it to either the rails, or to the bayonet mount on a rifle.
( just did a google search, and someone else had this idea: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] )


Oh and this is awesome for range clean-up (I figure this thread is also good for posting all innovative ideas, even if it requires no modification):
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I encourage everyone to scrutinize everything from my concepts themselves to the specificity of my methods.

I want to be talked out of things, so I can use the points of my peers to pen better ideas.

Interesting idea Pendrake. I think however it may work better with pistols. Need to support less weight or blades even. Reminds me of the 40k space marines can have magnetic holsters for weapons. Mind you they are super human warrior monks who fight for space god roughly 30 thousand years in the future.

Canadian Empire wrote:I think however it may work better with pistols. Need to support less weight or blades even.

Definitely work better with pistols. The advantage of magnetic retention for a pistol is that you can run it suppressed without the fucking longcat draw.

For rifles, you could run a very thin but wide neodymium magnet that would create a large magnetized 'zone' for retention, but the problem becomes either getting it to attach to your carrier with a pouch or something, or you have to have non-contoured plates (because with a curve the magnet will not adhere completely, causing the magnet to slide down the plate). Since I bought plates that seem to have small bends that create 10 flat areas, I thought I would try using multiple small magnets that can have a flat zone. Now the next consideration was whether the magnets will have the pull necessary to maintain retention through the cloth of my carrier (I'll let you know when I know). If it doesn't work, I'll probably create a small molle sleeve that will have a thinner barrier between the weapon and magnet.

The third consideration I had was to learn about how much magnets actually affect modern electronics (because if the magnets are on my back, I want to make sure I don't carry things in my backpack that will be destroyed or wiped). Turns out magnets don't affect most cell phones for the same reason they don't affect external hard-drives. I read that a lot of laptops aren't actually affected by magnets (as much as we all talk about using them to erase our porn stash when the party van arrives). TV's can be, but I really wondered about radios and comms equipment, as well as GPS devices.

Miscellaneous things that other people on the internet have worried about (because this idea is obviously not original) are magnetizing the slide of the gun and thus affecting bullet direction. the reality is that it would take hundreds of years for the slide to become magnetized (and besides, hardware stores sell demagnetizing devices for less than $20 usually) but besides that the bullet itself would not be affected.

If I can figure out the aforementioned obstacles, the rest will be trial and error to see how powerful a magnet or series of magnets has to be to hold a rifle, and how well it actually does.
Brotip: stacking magnets actually adds their "pull" together for other objects.
Brotip: you can take a strong magnet and hold it to the side of a pin-cipher on a door and actually unlock it that way
Brotip: the magnets that are strong enough to unlock a door cipher-lock are strong enough to remove fingers if you fuck around with it next to a large enough piece of metal (so it is important to carry them in small wooden boxes, instead of your pocket)


These are the magnets I ordered (I ordered like 15)
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They have a stand-alone pull of about 10lbs, and a pull of 36 lbs when stuck between two metal plates. They seem pretty strong for being as big as a few stacked pennies.

If anyone is curious about measuring magnet strength, you can read up on it here:
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One time I bought a bunch of neodymium magnets at like 80 pounds pull each, two of them were on a table and they started moving, two seconds later there was a huge bang and sparks everywhere.

The only thing Id be worried about for pistols would be if its on your hip it would just scream "grab me" and go knows where we will be operating operationally but if we were going into hard combat from the get go or sneaking then yes these would be perfect. or if we order a box of Tokarovs they often come with holsters.

I had a similar idea for 1 point slings. It seems if you transition from rifle to sidearm with a 1point then the rifle kind of just dangles and gets it the way. If you could have a strong enough magnet is a small pouch in the pants or vest/rigging then the rifle would stick and wouldn't flop around possibly hitting you in the balls while you're tactically operating. The little pocket wouldn't need to be more than 1"x1" and would obviously allow you to take the magnet out easily.

ZeeX10 wrote:I had a similar idea for 1 point slings. It seems if you transition from rifle to sidearm with a 1point then the rifle kind of just dangles and gets it the way. If you could have a strong enough magnet is a small pouch in the pants or vest/rigging then the rifle would stick and wouldn't flop around possibly hitting you in the balls while you're tactically operating. The little pocket wouldn't need to be more than 1"x1" and would obviously allow you to take the magnet out easily.

I was talking to a team guy who worked with a dude in Iraq who used that exact set-up. He had a small plate sewn into his bag and would just throw his rifle over his shoulder where it would stick. They constantly fucked with him by throwing screws, bolts and bits of scrap metal (that I'm starting to think just grows in the middle east) at his bag so he would just have this big jagged ball of shit by the end of a mission.

Sorry for deleting posts, but we kind of derailed this thread.
From now on we should keep weapons in the weapons board.

Someone mentioned the possibility of producing our own steel plates for body armor, and I started thinking about ballistic shields the same way. I wanted to get a feel for how heavy normal shields were first, thus I googled it.
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You'll notice that the smaller ones are 15lbs, larger ones are in the 20's, but then suddenly it jumps to 68 for the Level 3 shield. Then I realized it was on a trolley, which I had never seen before.

anyway, the steel body armor I bought weighs about 7 lbs per plate. Looking at how big we want our shield to be, I think one this size:
Should weigh about 28lbs
and one this size:
just under 50lbs


I thought it was funny, because I did some sword and shield fighting when I was younger because I was part of the 'Society for Creative Anachronism' or SCA.
Who knew it would be useful.


What do you guys think of shields in modern warfare?

Pendrake wrote:Someone mentioned the possibility of producing our own steel plates for body armor, and I started thinking about ballistic shields the same way. I wanted to get a feel for how heavy normal shields were first, thus I googled it.
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You'll notice that the smaller ones are 15lbs, larger ones are in the 20's, but then suddenly it jumps to 68 for the Level 3 shield. Then I realized it was on a trolley, which I had never seen before.

anyway, the steel body armor I bought weighs about 7 lbs per plate. Looking at how big we want our shield to be, I think one this size:
Should weigh about 28lbs
and one this size:
just under 50lbs


I thought it was funny, because I did some sword and shield fighting when I was younger because I was part of the 'Society for Creative Anachronism' or SCA.
Who knew it would be useful.


What do you guys think of shields in modern warfare?

I would carry a functional sword into battle, as for a shield the big issue would be weight and it would need to be able to be used in conjunction with small arms. 40k has some ideas that could work, ill try an nab some pics.

Canadian Empire wrote:

Pendrake wrote:Someone mentioned the possibility of producing our own steel plates for body armor, and I started thinking about ballistic shields the same way. I wanted to get a feel for how heavy normal shields were first, thus I googled it.
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You'll notice that the smaller ones are 15lbs, larger ones are in the 20's, but then suddenly it jumps to 68 for the Level 3 shield. Then I realized it was on a trolley, which I had never seen before.

anyway, the steel body armor I bought weighs about 7 lbs per plate. Looking at how big we want our shield to be, I think one this size:
Should weigh about 28lbs
and one this size:
just under 50lbs


I thought it was funny, because I did some sword and shield fighting when I was younger because I was part of the 'Society for Creative Anachronism' or SCA.
Who knew it would be useful.


What do you guys think of shields in modern warfare?

I would carry a functional sword into battle, as for a shield the big issue would be weight and it would need to be able to be used in conjunction with small arms. 40k has some ideas that could work, ill try an nab some pics.

I was only thinking of them in the context that the F3ds use them, just for entry teams in highly-contested areas. But the way that Starcraft Marines used them was probably how 40k employed them:



In some shots they seem to be attached to the forearm, but in others it looks like it's actually attached to the shoulder. The Shoulder attachment seems more feasible for contending with weight, and if you need proof of this, hold a full water bottle straight ahead of you and see how long you can do that, compared to wearing a shoulder-bag full of water bottles.

Pendrake wrote:

Canadian Empire wrote:

Pendrake wrote:Someone mentioned the possibility of producing our own steel plates for body armor, and I started thinking about ballistic shields the same way. I wanted to get a feel for how heavy normal shields were first, thus I googled it.
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You'll notice that the smaller ones are 15lbs, larger ones are in the 20's, but then suddenly it jumps to 68 for the Level 3 shield. Then I realized it was on a trolley, which I had never seen before.

anyway, the steel body armor I bought weighs about 7 lbs per plate. Looking at how big we want our shield to be, I think one this size:
Should weigh about 28lbs
and one this size:
just under 50lbs


I thought it was funny, because I did some sword and shield fighting when I was younger because I was part of the 'Society for Creative Anachronism' or SCA.
Who knew it would be useful.


What do you guys think of shields in modern warfare?

I would carry a functional sword into battle, as for a shield the big issue would be weight and it would need to be able to be used in conjunction with small arms. 40k has some ideas that could work, ill try an nab some pics.

I was only thinking of them in the context that the F3ds use them, just for entry teams in highly-contested areas. But the way that Starcraft Marines used them was probably how 40k employed them:



In some shots they seem to be attached to the forearm, but in others it looks like it's actually attached to the shoulder. The Shoulder attachment seems more feasible for contending with weight, and if you need proof of this, hold a full water bottle straight ahead of you and see how long you can do that, compared to wearing a shoulder-bag full of water bottles.

These are what i was thinking of.
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big almost full body shields with built in weapon mounts. more for cqb.

Related:

Minishields
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Look up Troy Hurtubise on youtube

Hahahaha Oh my god. Imagine If we perfected this design. Would could have fuckin juggernauts lol.
Who needs tanks when you have a bulletproof man with a fulauto m60 in his hands?

Guano357 wrote:Look up Troy Hurtubise on youtube

Hahahaha Oh my god. Imagine If we perfected this design. Would could have fuckin juggernauts lol.
Who needs tanks when you have a bulletproof man with a fulauto m60 in his hands?

I remember reading back in 2008 that Hurtubise was meeting with military officials from different countries, yet nothing has come of it (that I've heard). His suits are supposedly $2Grand each.

I appreciate the concept, but I personally don't like relying on technology that encapsulates my body like a coffin. I'm kind of a caveman in that way I guess, but unless military specialists can get something vital like comms to run more than half the time, I'll continue to be wary of power-suit prototypes.

I promised i would find these but I found this now so yah.

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So, I've been looking at various tank designs, and a theme among modern tanks seems to be power packs, and for good reason, they give better protection to the drive train, aid in maintenance, and are over all more convenient. In the interest of building a better tank from salvaged auto parts Ive decided to look at FWD engines and transmissions, basically a rear mounted FWD powerpack sans steering mechanism could serve to drive a tank. but the only problem seems to be finding a a diesel engine, or one with enough torque and HP to propel a large mass of steel, neckbeards and nugget turrets.

So I wanted a G36 stock on my AK. I decided to make it out of wood. I started this April 22nd, here is where I am as of earlier today (the 24th):


Commencement of Operation Hipster:




Not Pictured:
-Chisel
-Bastard Files
-Gerber Multitool




Started with some measurements (rounding up)



Traced out the shape using a stock from an old airsoft G36



Note the duct-tape in this photo. I was recklessly chiseling and a crack formed. I'm going to strengthen it with something after I'm done




White balance shift




In my office earlier today



Last picture for now:



Since then I've sanded down the sides to match the source AK stock's dimensions and penciled out the groove for where the screws go.